From what little experience I have it can take up to 9 hours for a women to experience the "real thing".

To much emphasise is put on penetration, too many men have been mislead into believing all sorts of nonsense.

If your education if only pornography, just remember porn is paid employment, as far as I know women don't orgasm on a movie set, its most probably at best for them just shear pain.

If you want a women to have an orgasm you have to put a lot of time in on "reprogramming" women for orgasm, they have most probably been programmed not to have an orgasm.

Through ignorance, arrogance, selfish attitudes, our 21st century lifestyle and probably lots of other reasons, women mostly never have an orgasm.

In my life it has only been 3 women, and only 1 that had a very intense orgasm.

That very intense orgasm took approximately 9+ hours to produce, so forget about it unless you are prepared to really put the time and effort in on achieving it.

Like they say nothing comes easy.

Hope that helps.

MTS.